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Welcome to Wessex Scene’s live coverage of the third and final presidential debate. We’ll be covering developments as they happen and fact checking some of the candidates’ remarks.
After a tense week of media coverage and fallout from accusations of sexual assault tonight’s event promises to be a lively affair. You can also follow our updates on Twitter @WSPolitics.
Welcome to the third and final presidential debate. If you could call it that… Potentially the last time these two candidates will be in the same room and the last time we can directly compare them before the Election Night on November 8th
The current climate heading into this debate according to the CNN Poll of Polls
Tonight’s debate will consist of six sections: debt and entitlements, immigration, the economy, the Supreme Court, foreign affairs, and fitness to be president. The director of the Commission on Presidential Debates is now on stage going through the rules and format for the evening.
Clinton has arrived Ladies and Gentlemen
And so has the Trump team who have taken their seats, the debate starts in 8 minutes
Some pundits have suggested that the Clinton campaign considers the race over and a victory for her. Will be interested to see how this affects her rhetoric in the debate tonight.
Interesting poll from Bloomberg on how supporters of each candidate would react in a given post election eventuality.
Moderator Chris Wallace has taken to the stage and is going through the debate rules.
Wallace has previously said that he will not fact check the candidates as it is not his role.
Tonight debate could have a huge impact not only on the presidential race but also on the Congressional elections with all the seats in the House of Representatives up for grabs as well as 34 Senators
Guests present tonight include former Republican presidential nominee Sarah Palin for Trump and HP CEO Meg Whitman and billionaire Mark Cuban for Clinton.
And we are off, Chris Wallace giving the intro – each segment will last 15 mins with 2 mins for each candidate to respond to each question followed by open discussion.
Supreme Court nomination the first topic up for debate, an issue discussed by McCain recently after he said that he would block any appointment made by a Clinton administration
Wallace asks where the candidates would like to see the Supreme Court take the country and how the constitution should be interpreted.
Clinton – supreme court needs to stand with the people not the wealthy, needs to stand up for rights of women and LGBT communities and oppose Citizens United legislation.
Clinton highlighting Citizens United as a key Supreme Court case she wants to see changed. A popular opinion amongst millennials as well as Democratic voter base
Interesting topic given the current situation for Obama’s latest Supreme Court Nominee. 217 days since President Obama nominated Merrick Garland to
the Supreme Court and the senate has never taken longer than 125 days to accept or reject a nomination.
Clinton claims that the ruling of Citizens United vs Federal Election Commission in 2010 allowed huge amounts of ‘dark’ money into the political system.
Trump – we need a supreme court that will uphold the “under siege” 2nd Amendment of the consitution. Justices I will appoint will be pro life and conservative.
Trump – my justices would interpret constitution in the way the founders of the US did and the “way it was meant to be”.
Trump appealing to his base of Pro-Life, 2nd Amendment, Conservatism.
Trump mentioned remarks made about him by Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg – she described him as a “faker” but did later apologise for these remarks.
Trump reasserts his desire to appoint a strict constructionist/originalist judge to the supreme court.
Trumps ‘calm, presidential’ character is back for this debate. How long will it last tonight? May be make or break for his campaign
Clinton again calling for increased background checks on gun owners. Claims 33,000 people die each year – saying there should be no conflict between second amendment and saving lives.
Trump suggesting tougher gun legislation is ineffective, citing the example of Chicago.
”Hillary Clinton wants to abolish the Second Amendment” Trump claimed at a rally on the 7th of May. That is false, the PolitiFact fact check is here http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/may/11/donald-trump/donald-trump-falsely-claims-hillary-clinton-wants-/
Clinton correct to claim that dozens of toddlers kill people in gun related incidents – up to May this year 23 people had already been killed by toddlers in gun related incidents.
The split on Planned Parenthood and Abortion is clear on stage. A strong reason why Clinton is polling much higher with Women than Trump
Roe vs Wade, the case being debated, was a landmark Supreme Court decision which decreed that women had a right to privacy on the decision of abortion under the 14th Amendment.
This section of the debate was meant to be on the Supreme Court itself, now seems more on social issues.
Immigration next up
53% of Americans believe Clinton <a href="http://fivethirtyeight.com/live-blog/third-presidential-debate-election-2016/?livepress-update-16926064“>would be better at nominating the next justice than Trump.
“We have no country if we have no borders” Trump says before bringing up the endorsement by the US Border Force
Research on universal gun background checks as supported by Clinton has suggested they reduce homicides.
No evidence to suggest undocumented immigrants commit more crimes than native Americans as Trump claims. http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/your-debate-briefing-book-the-policies/part2
Clinton: We are a nation of immigrants and of laws. Will introduce comprehensive reform early on while in office. Trump accuses Clinton of wanting “the wall” on the Mexican border in 2006.
“I voted for border security” “And a wall” Trump interjects – Almost as if the two can not be separate
Clinton accuses Trump of using undocumented labour to build Trump Tower.
Trump partially correct that Clinton voted for border security, that included a physical barrier but not a wall. http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/statements/2016/aug/15/donald-trump/donald-trump-right-hillary-clinton-once-wanted-wal/
Trump correct – Obama has deported around 2 million people while in office, which is more than George W Bush. http://blogs.reuters.com/data-dive/2015/02/25/tracking-obamas-deportation-numbers/
So far tonight Trump has been trying to appeal to his base more than the independents – Clinton has remained on policy and fact based talk not rhetoric, perhaps why she has produced a lead in the polls thanks to these debates as well as scandals…
Tonight’s debate has been much more policy focused than the two previous events. While Trump arguably has fewer concrete proposals than Clinton having to defend the establishment view on some issues surely doesn’t help her image to some voters.
Trump’s connection to Putin again raised as an issue. Clinton accuses Trump of “spouting the Putin line” and encouraging foreign espionage in the US.
United States maintained an arsenal of 4,500 nuclear warheads – https://www.sipri.org/research/armaments-and-disarmament/nuclear-weapons/world-nuclear-forces/the-united-states
Only 10% of Americans have a favourable image of Putin, Trump refusing to condemn him may not be a smart move. Not quite sure how we got here from immigration though….
“Wrong” – Trump 2016
http://time.com/4437089/donald-trump-nuclear-weapons-nukes/ the timeline of Trumps comments on Nuclear Weapons and their use
Trump confusing what he said and hasn’t said
Wallace: “I am not a potted plant here, I do get to ask some questions”. Best moderation we’ve seen in years.
— Simon Marks (@SimonMarksFSN) October 20, 2016
Trumps comments undermine the mission of NATO, a serious issue for those in the Western world. No wonder Putin is anti-Clinton
Remember, Trump was briefed, personally, by intelligence officials on Russia being behind the hacks — intelligence officials told NBC News.
— Katy Tur (@KatyTurNBC) October 20, 2016
Next question on the economy – Clinton says she wants to grow the economy, create new jobs and focus on clean energy. Equal pay for men and women.
Clinton calls Trump’s economic plan ‘trickle-down economics on steroids’
True that most of Clinton’s tax rises would fall on the richest 1% of Americans.
Trump again condemns the NAFTA trade deal, says it will be abolished and replaced with a “great” new deal.
Trump previously suggested that S Korea and Japan SHOULD have their own nuclear weapons. http://www.cbsnews.com/news/donald-trump-japan-south-korea-might-need-nuclear-weapons/
Trump’s tax policy would cut taxes for low earners but many middle class families would end up paying more.
Clinton says Obama doesn’t get the credit he deserves for “saving the economy”. Says she will increase investment and not add a “penny” to the national debt.
“We invest from the middle-out, bottom-up. NOT top-down. That doesn’t work” – Clinton
According to the US Treasury, the Obama administration currently has a pubic debt of $14 billion.
Chris Wallace is correct that many experts have said that Trump’s economic plan will add to the national debt and ‘the numbers don’t add up’ http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/oct/11/hillary-clinton/clinton-right-trump-tax-plan-gives-more-rich-bush-/
Studies suggest Clinton’s plans will not create as many jobs as claimed.
Trump essentially saying GDP growth is a direct reflection on a nations economy. If this was true it would make Papa New Guinea the best economy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_real_GDP_growth_rate
The Congressional Budget Office, currently suggests that the US deficit is set to grow once again. http://fivethirtyeight.com/live-blog/third-presidential-debate-election-2016/?lpup=17272239livepress-update-17272239
Trump to Clinton: you have “bad experience” and talk without getting anything done. This is getting personal once again…
Trump correct that Clinton called TPP the gold standard.
Trump just gave Clinton a perfect way to sell her experience as a politician…
In Response to Trumps, why did she not do more in 30 years I will bring back a classic quote from previous debates “She was 1 Senator out of 100 in the Senate. Which is one of the Houses in Congress. Which is one branch of the US Government…”
Trump now saying the US should have never gone to Iraq and accuses Clinton of being responsible for the creation of IS.
The plan to leave Iraq was created and agreed by the Bush administration. Not the Obama administration
Now a question on Trump’s alleged sexual assault of women. Trump claims stories have been debunked and are “totally false”, suggested the accusations were created by the Clinton campaign.
Trump: I didn’t even apologise to my wife because I have done nothing and do not know these women.
Analysis by FiveThirtyEight of <a href="http://fivethirtyeight.com/live-blog/third-presidential-debate-election-2016/?lpup=13412122livepress-update-13412122“> how much each candidate has interrupted during this debate so far.
In spite of accusing the Clinton campaign of deliberately causing violence, Trump himself has incited violence toward protesters on more than once occasion.
“Nobody has more respect for women than I do” Trumps statement is responded to with chuckles from the audience
Trump brings up Clinton’s emails to detract from claims of sexual assault. He knows it is her achillies heel but is undermined by the fact it has been in front of the FBI
Clinton: everytime Donald is pushed on something “uncomfortable” he denies responsibility, never apologises.
Moment of tension when Clinton mentions the Clinton Foundation – moderator Wallace cuts her short, while Trump accuses the Clinton foundation of being a violent organisation.
Charity monitor, CharityWatch, says that 88% of the foundation’s money goes toward its charitable mission and gave the foundation an A rating for 2016.
Trump claims’s 100% of Trump Foundation money goes to charitable causes. Clinton says this can’t be proven given Trump refuses to publish his tax return.
Interestingly, Trump apparently once donated money to the Clinton Foundation!
Trump refuses to say, unlike his VP running mate and his daughter, that he would accept the results of the election. Following on from rallies were he has claimed the election is rigged by Clinton and the media
When asked whether he will accept the election result, Trump refuses to offer a direct answer (“I will look at it at the time”) and accuses the media of being dishonest. Raises the issue of voter fraud.
Trump: Clinton committed “a serious crime” and should not be allowed to run.
An investigation by Wired shows just how difficult it would be to actually rig the election.
Trump technically correct that the money paid to settle a lawsuit of a profitable business by his foundation in 2007 went to charity. https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-used-258000-from-his-charity-to-settle-legal-problems/2016/09/20/adc88f9c-7d11-11e6-ac8e-cf8e0dd91dc7_story.html
That said, it is incorrect that 100% of his charity’s money goes to those in need.
Next question on foreign policy – Clinton says she will continue to advocate a No Fly Zone in Syria & Iraq and work toward a political solution.
Some prominent republicans have refuted Trump’s claim that the election is rigged.
Trump: we had Mosul, now we are fighting to get it back after losing it.
Boots on the ground in Iraq to help the defeat of ISIS, simplified the responses to a yes or no.
Trump claiming Clinton pulling out of Iraq despite this being the work of the Bush administration
Obama’s former speechwriter on Trump’s refusal to say he will accept the election result.
He lost the debate there.
— Jon Favreau (@jonfavs) October 20, 2016
Worth noting that the fear of Islamic fundamentalism among Republicans is at its highest level since 1998.
Trump: Assad is smarter than Clinton and Obama.
Interestingly Chris Wallace throughly fact checking both candidates on Syria despite his earlier comments to the contrary.
A recent Fox poll found Americans trust Clinton over Trump on foreign policy.
Next question on national debt, which is now 77% of US GDP. Both candidates accused of ignoring the issue and increasing debt.
Trump: we will create a “tremendous economic machine” once again, take back jobs.
Until now the debt and deficit have been little discussed during the campaign.
Clinton: Trump has been criticising the government for decades. We will ask the wealthy and corporations to pay more without diminishing growth.
Here’s the 1987 newspaper ad Clinton mentioned. https://www.buzzfeed.com/ilanbenmeir/that-time-trump-spent-nearly-100000-on-an-ad-criticizing-us
“Obamacare has to go”, need to “repeal and replace” – Trump
Reports suggest the Social Security Trust fund will be depleted in 18 years.
“Such a nasty woman” – Trump on Clinton
Clinton: If Trump repeals Affordable Care Act, Medicare problems will worsen.
Wallace gives each candidate a minute for an impromptu closing statement. Clinton says she is reaching out to all Americans to make country “what it should be” and says she knows the responsibility involved, emphasises her commitment to children and families.
“I’m appealing to all Americans. Democrats, Republicans and Independents” – Clinton closing remarks begin with this statement
Trump: I will make America great again. Need to fix military and support veterans, bring law and order and justice.
Trumps begins with “She is raising money from the people she wants to control. I began this campaign a year ago with a message of Make America Great Again”
Trump: Clinton would be 4 more years of Obama.
Trump highlights the depleted military, lack of law and order, and helping minorities in the inner cities
And that’s a wrap! Final message from moderator Chris Wallace: go out and vote.
Trump shook the hand of Wallace, but neither candidate shook hands at the beginning or end of the debate.
The LA Times had their senior writers decide who won each round of the debate. They show Clinton as the overall winner. She won 3 of the 5 rounds, the other 2 were seen as ties
Some are glad this is all over.
The good news: no more presidential debates for 4 years!
— Robert Danin (@robertdanin) October 20, 2016
Full statistics of interruptions during the debate from FiveThirtyEight.
Clinton 60% Trump 40% according to http://heavy.com/news/2016/10/poll-who-won-the-third-presidential-debate/
Clinton 57% Trump 43% according to http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/10/19/poll-won-third-presidential-debate/
Social Media conversation share:
Trump’s campaign manager claims Trump won the debate
Interesting look at the scandals discussed at each debate. http://fivethirtyeight.com/live-blog/third-presidential-debate-election-2016/?lpup=16288231livepress-update-16288231
And that brings our coverage tonight to and end. Thanks for following our live blogs of all three debates and we’ll see you again on November 8th for Election Night!